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maandag 18 mei 2026

To me, a mind which has no struggle of duality, is the really religious mind, J. Krishnamurti


To me, a mind which has no struggle of duality, is the really religious mind - not the mind which is struggling to conquer anger, not the mind, that is struggling to become non-violent; such a mind is only living in the struggle of the opposite.

 It is only the true religious mind that has not the conflict of the opposite; such a mind never knows frustration; such a mind does not struggle to become something, it is what it is. In understanding what it actually is, the mind is no longer putting roots in memory.

Please just listen to this; it does not matter whether it is false or true, but find out for yourself. A mind that has continuity in memory will always be frustrated, will always be struggling to be something. 

The becoming is the taking root - in an idea, in a person, in an object. Once the mind has taken root, then the problem arises: `How is it to free itself?' 

The freeing of itself becomes then the opposite; and the struggle then is `How to free oneself?' 

But if one sees, understands, is aware of the truth of how the mind is always taking root in every experience, in every reaction, then, in that awareness, there is no choice, there is no condemnation, therefore no creation of the opposite, and therefore there is no struggle. 

Then the mind has no root but it is living, it has no continuity but is in a state of being in which time is not. I think, it is important to understand this not merely verbally or intellectually, but actually to see how the mind is creating the struggle and the dual process. J. Krishnamurti

zaterdag 29 maart 2025

Krishnamurti quotes ...

Jiddu Krishnamurti, mijn eerste liefde op het pad van bewustwording. Nog steeds prachtig. Mooie site met quotes die als je wilt uitgewerkt worden. 

zaterdag 30 november 2024

Within oneself .... J. Krishnamurti

‘How can there be a deep revolution of values if it does not begin with ourselves? To help in the present crisis, must one look for a new ideology, a new economic plan? Or must one begin to understand the conflict and confusion within oneself, which, in its projection, is the world?’

—From the book COMMENTARIES ON LIVING 1 

woensdag 5 juli 2023

Wat is keuzeloos gewaarzijn?, 4 juli 2023 door Hans van Dam

Waarom ik het liever weteloos gewaarzijn noem.


Wat is keuzeloos gewaarzijn?

Keuzeloos gewaarzijn, met of zonder spatie tussen gewaar en zijn, betekent onthecht, onaangedaan getuige zijn van wat zich maar voordoet. Niet kiezen, niet willen, niet oordelen, niet hechten, niet identificeren. Niet handelen maar het doen zijn gang laten gaan.


De term ‘keuzeloos gewaarzijn’, in het Engels ‘choiceless awareness’, was een favoriete uitdrukking van de spirituele leraar en antigoeroe Jiddu Krishnamurti. Hij heeft hem niet bedacht maar wel gepopulariseerd.


Het begrip ‘keuzeloos gewaarzijn’ is verwant met het taoïstische begrip ‘niet-doen’ (wu wei), met de boeddhistische praktijken van mindfulness, vipassana en shikantaza, en met de boeddhistische begrippen niet-zelf (anatman), leegte (sunyata) en geest.


Onverenigbaar met het leven

Letterlijk genomen is keuzeloos gewaarzijn een paradoxale opdracht, onverenigbaar met het leven. Leven is niet gewaar zijn om het gewaar zijn, gewaar zijn helpt je om te overleven.


Overleven is meer dan waarnemen, het is oordelen en handelen. Waarnemen, oordelen en handelen zijn niet los van elkaar te begrijpen. Ze gaan naadloos in elkaar over. Ze zijn onscheidbaar, behalve in gedachte.


Je kan in dit leven maar beter de juiste keuzes maken, anders ben je gauw gezien. Water drinken, geen chloor. Brood eten, geen spons. De kachel aansteken, niet de kamer. Door de deur naar buiten gaan, niet door het raam. Oversteken bij groen licht, niet bij rood.*


* Lees ook: Matthieu Ricard en de ontbinding van het absolute, vooral de paragraaf over begripsvorming (in het Witboek Zen).


Keuzeloos gewaarzijn is niet alleen onverenigbaar met het leven maar ook met zichzelf. Je kan er niet voor kiezen keuzeloos gewaar te zijn, want dan ben je het al niet meer.


Weteloos gewaarzijn

Keuzeloos gewaarzijn is een tegenstrijdig begrip, zoveel is duidelijk. Vroeg of laat brengt het iedereen in verwarring, behalve de agnost.


Voor mij als weetniet is keuzeloos gewaarzijn vanzelfsprekend. Het is niet iets waarvoor ik heb gekozen. Niet iets dat ik heb geleerd. Niets iets dat ik praktiseer. Niet iets dat ik nastreef.


Keuzeloos gewaarzijn is iets wat me overkomt, of ik wil of niet. Het is een gevolg van niet-weten. Niet weten te onderscheiden. Niet weten te kiezen. Niet-weten wat goed is. Niet-weten wat werkt. Geen conclusies weten te trekken. Maar wat doen. Maar zien.


Voor een agnost is keuzeloosheid geen keuze maar overmacht. Wat valt er te kiezen voor wie niet weet? En als er toch eens gekozen lijkt te worden: niet weten of jij het bent die kiest of dat de keuze zich aan jou voltrekt. Niet weten of er wel een jij is en of die wel wat te kiezen heeft of dat het maar zo lijkt. Niet weten of je keuze nu en voor altijd voor iedereen overal in alle opzichten juist is. Niet eens weten wat hier en nu juist is, voor deze of die, in dit opzicht of dat.


Keuzeloos gewaarzijn is zien zonder te weten wat je precies ziet. Onder ogen zien dat je het niet weet. Ervoor uitkomen dat je er niet uitkomt. Leven op de tast. Vandaar dat ik het liever weteloos gewaarzijn noem. Je hoeft je keuzes niet op te schorten of tegen te houden; je weet het gewoon niet meer.


Weteloosheid als je natuurlijke staat

Keuzeloos gewaarzijn is een onvermijdelijk gevolg van niet-weten. Maar in weteloosheid is geen ruimte voor de metafysische en idealistische connotaties die de spiritualiteit van Jiddu Krishnamurti aankleven. Voor zijn hoogdravende ideeën over Waarheid, Eenheid, Zelfrealisatie, Vrijheid, Wereldvrede enzovoort.


Wie ziet wat een strijd Krishnamurti’s leven is geweest, van zijn vroege jeugd tot op zijn sterfbed, vraagt zich onwillekeurig af hoe keuzeloos zijn gewaarzijn nou helemaal was. Ik zie het niet. Ik voel het niet. En ik benijd hem niet. Als ik zo nodig iemand moet benijden, dan maar mezelf.


Een agnost heeft niets te realiseren, niets in te zien en niets te bewaken. Hij heeft niets te doen en niets te laten. Hij heeft niets te bevestigen en niets te ontkennen, dit ook niet.


Een agnost weet alleen maar niet. Hij heeft het nooit geweten, al dacht hij soms van wel. Hij zal het wel nooit weten, al kan hij dat ook niet weten. Agnose is zijn natuurlijke staat. Hij ondergaat gewoon zijn gang.


Duidt iemand zijn gang als afgang, al is het maar uit het weten, dan duidt de agnost hem als opgang, al is het maar naar niet weten.


Duidt iemand zijn gang als opgang, al is het maar naar niet weten, dan duidt de agnost hem als afgang, al is het maar uit het weten.


Houdt iemand gewoon zijn waffel, een zeldzaamheid in het spirituele wereldje, dan houdt de agnost gewoon zijn waffel. Dan is het eindelijk even stil, hè hè. En dat wou jij keuzeloos gewaarzijn noemen? Haha.


Lees ook Niet-weten als passe-partout: keuzeloos gewaarzijn en eerder en verder (in het Witboek Niet-Weten).




zondag 7 maart 2021

Gij zijt dat ... maar wat betekent dat dan eigenlijk, zijn die Mahavakyas ook nu nog geldig?? (J. Krishnamurti)


Blz. 41:

Swamiji: Wat vindt u ervan? Zijn die Mahavakyas ook nu nog geldig? Of moeten ze herzien en vernieuwd worden? 

Krishnaji: Die spreuken, zoals dat ben ik', "Tat-Tvam Asi' en 'Ayam Atma Brahma' bedoelt u?

Swamiji: Dat wil dus zeggen: 'het Bewustzijn is Brahman'. 

Krishnaji: Bestaat er geen gevaar, Swamiji, dat we iets herha len zonder te weten wat het precies betekent? 'Ik ben dat.' Wat betekent het in feite?

Swamiji: "Gij zijt dat.'

Krishnaji: Goed, 'Gij zijt dat'. Maar wat betekent het? Je zou kunnen zeggen 'ik ben die rivier'. Die rivier heeft een overweldigende stuwkracht, hij stuwt zich rusteloos en nooit aflatend voort door vele landen. En dan kan ik zeggen 'ik ben die rivier' en dat zou net zoveel geldigheid hebben als 'Ik ben Brahman'.

Swamiji: Zeker, zeker.

Krishnaji: Maar waarom zeggen we 'ik ben dat? Waarom niet 'ik ben de rivier' of 'ik ben de arme', de man zonder talent of intelligentie, die traag van geest is - en wiens traagheid door erfelijkheid, door armoede, door vernederingen en wat al niet meer is veroorzaakt! Waarom zeggen we nooit 'dat ben ik ook’? Waarom hangen we onszelf altijd op aan iets dat we als het hoogste beschouwen? 


donderdag 5 november 2020

Mind and consciesness (J. Krishnamurti)

 Mens Sana Monographs

Wolters Kluwer -- Medknow Publications

Mind and Consciousness as per J. Krishnamurti

Avinash De Sousa, MD, DPM, MS, MPhil, MBA

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Abstract

The present article looks at mind and consciousness from the perspective of the eminent Indian philosopher, Jiddu Krishnamurti. He believed in total awareness as being essential for a free mind. Human beings always learned from their past, and it was important that they looked inwards and freed themselves from self-perpetuated torment. It was also necessary that they avoided repression. The society in which we live should be organic, where, although individuals had no choice but to dwell in that society, it was one where the interests of the individual and society were the same. He also maintained that religion was always the result of past conditioning. A mind should be investigative and scientific. One could not get pleasure without difficulty, for which living in totality, not in segments, was a must. We often dwell on one part of the consciousness and miss its holistic aspect. One must uncover the mind layer by layer to achieve complete growth. Deeper delving into it and a study of J. Krishnamurti's philosophy is a must for the understanding of human consciousness, in a manner that is simple, yet abstract and deep.

Keywords: Awareness, Consciousness, Free mind, Krishnamurti, Mind, Organic society, Religious mind, Society

Introduction and Short Background

Jiddu Krishnamurti (1895 – 1986) was an eminent writer and speaker on philosophical and spiritual issues, including psychological revolution, the nature of the human mind, consciousness and evolution, meditation, human relationships, and bringing about positive social change. Maintaining that society was ultimately the product of the interactions of individuals, he held that fundamental change in society could emerge only through freely undertaken radical change in the individual (Krishnamurti, 2008[11]) . He stressed the need for a revolution in the psyche of every human being and posited that such a revolution could not be brought about by any external entity, be it religious, political, or social. It had to be brought about by a holistic transformation from within, and an insight into the various layers of one's consciousness (Krishnamurti, 1987[7]).

Born into a Telugu family, in what was then colonial India, he lived, in his early adolescence, next to the Theosophical Society headquarters at Adyar, in Chennai (earlier, Madras). He then came in contact with influential theosophists, Annie Besant and C.W. Leadbeater, who educated him, believing him to be a future spiritual leader. However, Krishnamurti later broke away from the Theosophical Society and traveled internationally as an independent speaker and writer on fundamental human issues. He held many dialogs with eminent physicist David Bohm, and several Buddhist scholars and Jesuits. Whether discussing politics with Indira Gandhi, debating philosophy with Rupert Shedlrake and Iris Murdoch, or challenging the audience to test the truth of his words, Krishnamurti engaged fully with every aspect of the human condition (Fouere, 1969[2]). He also addressed the United Nations on the subject of peace and awareness and was awarded the UN Peace Medal in 1984.

The Language and Essence of Krishnamurti

Neither Krishnamurti's style of writing, nor his language, nor ideas, can be discounted. They are the major factors that made so many people follow him. He disregarded the stature of being a holy man, sadhu, saviour, and messiah. His simplicity of ideas flowed even through his language. Nothing was too complicated. His English was wonderfully elegant, British bred after all (Fouere, 1969[2]) . Rene Fouere calls his style simple, adapted to psychological investigation, and free of all mythical or religious reference (Ibid[2]). He used terms and examples that were not subject to any pre-conceived ideas and prejudices, those that were not standard and boringly repeated in the past.

His language was not meant to be convincing on first reading (Fouere, 1969[2]). It only gave a viewpoint so simple that you would not be persuaded into believing it. Belief just happened. He questioned the most obvious, and prodded into the dodgy subjects of life and the truth. The method of using many contradictions by itself served his purpose of proving that he was a mere mortal; and it was we, humans, who needed to think and question life from within; and look for answers, not elsewhere, but within ourselves. As humans, we were always told what to do and what not to do; he believed we need not be instructed with steps of life, but merely awakened. Sometimes outright hurtful or targeting words used by him were only meant to awaken those who had become dormant (Fouere, 1969[2]).

The essence of his writings / teachings was not a learning system that had many steps. The idea was to start anywhere and eventually reach the same place (within you, through life). He did not offer a school or cult of any sort. Claude Bragdon wrote that Krishnamurti did not offer something more to life; instead, he was a subtractor of everything that stood between him and his maker, which was life itself (Bragdon, 2006[1]). Krishnamurti believed life itself was God, and every action manifested itself with God. The description and writing of his subject may seem so simple that you may go over it again and again and still be left lost (Ibid[1]). His teachings leave many people with unanswered questions, but like he said, truth was a pathless land (Ibid[1]). Claude Bragdon summarized his teaching well in two words — trust life (Ibid[1]). Most of our troubles came from our fear of life, religion itself being a refuge from that fear (Krishnamurti, 2000[9]) . If we trusted life instead of fearing it, it would never betray us — only by ourselves could we be betrayed (Krishnamurti, 2000[9]).

Those who look to Krishnamurti for a new religion or a new philosophy would be disappointed. He does not offer something more, but always something less. The very simplicity of Krishnamurti's teaching confuses our sophisticated minds. His teaching shall seem anarchic and destructive only till the perception dawns that his blows are aimed at our fetters. It is then that we realise that life, unconditioned by personal fears, ambitions, and desires, is not a void but a plenum (Krishnamurti, 1987[7]).

Krishnamurti: The Man and His Mind

The teachings of Krishnamurti do not have a school or organization, but, as humans with tendencies to categorize and organize, I am drawn to comparing him with Jean Paul Sartre, the father of modern existentialism. Krishnamurti's works also include the space of a human in the social and political scenario. Krishnamurti states so very well that one cannot know of something unless the other is also present. He gives the example of non-violence: one cannot know of non-violence unless you know what violence is. Life itself is a movement of relationships, and we try to manipulate and control it even in the most common events of life. For example, when someone praises us, we grow in pride, when someone insults us we have rage filled in us; and what we do is behave in ways that increase positive reactions and decrease negative comments; the point being that we are only living a half automated life, and doing something habitually. He emphasises that total awareness, and continuous awareness, will lead to living a non-habitual life, and no amount of discipline will do it – and once again, discipline is not freedom from the known (Krishnamurti, 1975[3]).

Self-Consciousness and Krishnamurti

Krishnamurti does not trust ideals. He states that an ideal is what is not. A human cannot understand an ideal without knowing what the other part of it is. I cannot know what truth is without knowing what is false, and what non-violence is without knowing what is violence. Truth cannot be seen as an object of desirability or attained because of its vastness and context. It cannot be reduced to an intellectual formula for our brains, or eternity, and reduced to a mere objective perspective . One cannot ‘Know’ of something in the present. Even ‘I’ cannot know of its moment during self-enquiry other than the past, as the present shall not be understandable unless it passes into the past. Humans can only learn from their past and not from their present, as the present is this very moment. All introspection is a form of retrospection (Krishnamurti, 1986[6]).

Problems that affect our behaviour cannot be resolved without awakening the creative intelligence or the intuition within us. That will, in turn, fully grasp the circumstance and liberate us from our miseries. It is a fact that all self-consciousness is painful and is absent in the states of ecstasy and fullness. Krishnamurti states that when you are really happy and deeply in love, the ‘I’ is not. Liberation is a state in which all ‘I’ consciousness has ceased, because the duality indispensable to self-consciousness is no more. All our urges for personal aggrandizement, which have cost the world so much blood and tears, are merely a futile evasion of a fact, an endless search for the non-existing security, an absurd refusal to meet face to face, with one's own true condition. It is only in the full awareness of oneself that we can put an end to our self-perpetuated torment (Krishnamurti, 1996[8]).

The Nature of Mind as per Krishnamurti

It is well known that the power to think is what makes us different from other living beings, but this unfortunately is also the reason why we may consider ourselves higher in the order of nature. This very essential power is mostly used and abused over time. Our mind is misinterpreted, according to Krishnamurti, and we must start using it differently than it is used, and not as an object for self-protection and self-expansion. We are no more primitive humans, and survival instincts have to be abandoned so as to achieve higher awareness. He talks of how, if society has to remain truly human, it must be in a state of constant revolution and re-evaluation. The mind is being used more for ego-centred acquisitiveness and for personal growth and power, in turn lessening others opportunities. We must try and belong to an organic society and not an organised one; because an organised society will always follow a hierarchy; and the standards of morality may exist, but not necessarily in the nobler sense like that of an organic society . An organic society means that its members have no choice but to belong to it. However, it goes even further. It implies that they have no desire but to belong to it, for their interests and those of the society are the same; they identify themselves with the society. Unity here is not a principle proclaimed by the authorities, but a fact accepted by all the participants. No great sacrifice is involved. One's place in society may be onerous or undignified, but it is the only one available; without it, one has no place in the world. The opposite of this perspective, with rights and liberties granted to an individual, is what forms an organised society (Krishnamurti, 1986[6]).

This world is full of chaos and it is the human being who must understand that he is part of that chaos — the cause and the effect. Krishnamurti states that bringing of the unconscious to the conscious is the first fruit of intelligence. It marks the reaching of the human level and there should be no conflict. This integration of the entire mechanism of consciousness will open to awareness, vistas of perception and experience of affection and action beyond our boldest dreams (Krishnamurti, 2010[12]).

The ‘Free Mind’ Concept of Krishnamurti

Krishnamurti statesthat every experience in our life is imprinted deeply in our mind whose strength will vary in pleasure and pain and will crystallise in our life later on. This sounds as familiar as Freud, who said childhood experiences form the base of our adulthood and our adjustment to life; but it is more than this. Krishnamurti goes on to say further, that every action we try to connect positively or negatively to, comes back to form a habit, and does not allow a free mind to grow. Sometimes, even suffering is based on our habits and when we try to overcome one habit, we form another; and eventually, as humans, we form the habit of repression. We must understand that there is no stopping of habits, but rather only a cessation. We have to understand it and overcome it, which is acquired through great alertness and patience. The idea of a free mind is to look inward with this patience and alertness. On doing so, we free ourselves of the thinker who cages us. Once we destroy this cage of controlled thoughts, man finds a new freedom, which is not a freedom from painful experiences, but a release from the scar these experiences used to leave on the mind (Krishnamurti, 2000[9]).

‘The Religious Mind’ and Krishnamurti

According to Krishnamurti, we all follow a religion blindly, out of past conditioning or fear. We do not question or enquire what we may believe or not believe out of fear. And who is to be responsible for this – our elders who condition us to believe without questioning. What we are doing out of fear, or so-called belief, must be questioned. He states that a true religious mind is free of fear, blind faith, and contradiction. All religion is followed by tradition, whether it is religion that is 2000 years old, or 200. The list of must do's in any religion should be questioned by itself. A mind should be investigative and scientific in its approach, and not bound by something, or compelled. Religious matters make humans irrational, insane; and all these build the walls of our conditioning.

The beginning of self-knowledge is the beginning of the religious mind and not the knowledge of the supreme self; because that will again be belief in authority; and authority makes us imitate, and dictates; and we have to learn to free ourselves from this. A religious mind does not separate the inner world and the outer. It is the unitary movement of the tide that goes out and comes in; and only that mind, which is free and enquiring, can perceive that which is immeasurable (Krishnamurti, 2008[11]).

Feeling and the Human Mind

Feeling is a part of the mind, as per Krishnamurti. The mind includes desires, love, jealousy, emotions, everything. It includes contrary beliefs, double minds, and all that we understand and feel. What is different is its manifestation and its intensity. The problem is not about feeling right or wrong, because humans will feel. What needs to be changed is the greed to have many things: people want the good things of life and yet want to feel contented and peaceful. The former brings about the need to acquire things, have power / prestige, and be ambitious. To have both is not possible: a real mind has no place for ambition and acquisitions. Pleasure is not difficult, but with it come difficulties; but we want pleasure without difficulties. It is only when the mind is capable of living in totality that remorse, difficulty, and pain will have no meaning and feeling to it (Krishnamurti, 1976[4]). According to Krishnamurti, living in totality involves not looking at life in the form of segments or as an idea, but rather as a series of ideas and segments; and experience various facets of life at the same time, along with all the joys and sorrows in each facet. The less divisive we are within ourselves, the more we shall be able to experience the totality of life (Krishnamurti, 2001[10]).

Consciousness and Krishnamurti

According to Krishnamurti, when one becomes aware of one's conditioning, one understands the entire consciousness. Consciousness is the total field in which thoughts, functions, and relationships exist. All motives, emotions, desires, pleasures, fears, aspirations, longings, hopes, sorrows, joys, and inspirations are in that field. Consciousness can be divided into the active and the dormant, the upper and lower levels. All daily thoughts, feelings, and activities are on the surface, and below them is the subconscious, the aspects with which we are not familiar, which express themselves occasionally through certain imitations, intuitions, and dreams. We are occupied with one little corner of consciousness, which is most of our life; the rest, that we call the subconscious, we do not even know how to get into. The subconscious does exist and it is as trivial and stupid as the conscious mind; as narrow, as bigoted, anxious, conditioned, and tawdry. When one is aware of the totality of consciousness then one is functioning in full attention, not partial attention. In such a state there is usually no friction. Friction in life arises when one tries to divide one's consciousness (Krishnamurti, 1983[5]).

We live our life in fragments. We are one person at work, another with friends, and another at home. A mind that is fragmented shall never be aware of full consciousness. One must uncover one's mind, layer by layer, in order to understand the fragments one by one. This is a process that may take weeks, months or even years (Krishnamurti, 1983[5]).

Attention is not the same thing as concentration. Concentration involves exclusion, while attention excludes nothing. It is often that we concentrate on our own problems, our own ideas, and our own world, such that we are not objectively aware. Verbally we can only be superficial. What lies beyond cannot be put into words. One needs to be aware. Awareness about how we walk, how we speak, how we talk, and how we think, is necessary. It is with a choiceless awareness that doors shall open and one would know a consciousness in which there is no conflict and no time (Krishnamurti, 1983[5]). Once we change ourselves, we can change society and the world in which we find ourselves. Understanding ourselves marks the beginning of wisdom (Krishnamurti, 2001[10]).

Freedom and Awareness

Freedom is found in the choiceless awareness of our daily existence and activity. For Krishnamurti, every human with a mind to think will have an interpretation of the same. To be aware might not necessarily mean to give up on life and look for the internal truth, but to be able to live peacefully with an understanding of the life one leads, the relations one shares with one's environment, and one's family and friends (Krishnamurti, 2008[11]). A concept very similar to that of dharma, which I cannot help but compare it with — put simply as — Live your life the right way; do what you have to and be a good human being; and maybe that will lead to the final freedom.

Although understudied, Indian philosophers like Krishnamurti have a lot to add to the general philosophy of consciousness and mind. Simplicity and elegance mark Krishnamurti's work and writings, but one needs to put in deep thought to understand his concepts. It is essential that readers and researchers in the philosophy of mind and consciousness study Krishnamurti, to gain further insights into our mind, into consciousness as a concept, and human evolution, learning and growth in general.

Conclusions [See also Figure 1: Flowchart of Paper)

Figure 1
Flow Chart of the Article

  • Contemporary thought may have a lot to learn by a scientific study of mind and consciousness from the perspective of the eminent Indian philosopher Jiddu Krishnamurti.

  • Awareness of the self is an essentiality for a free mind. We have always looked at our past and troubled ourselves, but it is important that we dwell inwards and free ourselves from our own ridicule and guilt. We must do this to avoid repression and self-blame.

  • Society can be organised or organic. An organic society is preferred as per Krishnamurti, where individuals have no choice but to dwell in that society, but one where the interests of the individual and of society are the same.

  • Religiosity and orthodox thought is often the result of conditioning from an early age.

  • One must cultivate an investigative and scientific mind.

  • There is no pleasure without difficulty; and living in totality, not in segments, is a must.

  • We often just dwell on one part of consciousness and miss its holistic nature.

  • One must uncover the mind, layer by layer, to achieve complete growth.

Take home message

  1. It is very important that we promote self-awareness and develop an insight into the various layers of the self for a complete understanding of the mind and consciousness.

  2. We have to free ourselves from past conditionings and uncover our self, layer by layer, for a holistic understanding of consciousness, and for personal growth.

Questions that this Paper Raises

  1. Do the teachings of Krishnamurti hold relevance in the modern understanding of mind and consciousness?

  2. Does the philosophy of Krishnamurti give us new insights into the human mind, and does it provide further impetus for studies in human consciousness?

  3. Do Indian philosophical concepts of mind and consciousness need to be understood in, and compared with, Western concepts, and the Western context, to understand them better?

About the Author

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Avinash De Sousa is a consultant psychiatrist and psychotherapist with a private practice in Mumbai. He is an avid reader and has over 95 publications in national and international journals. His main areas of interest are alcohol dependence, child and adolescent psychiatry, mental retardation, autism, developmental disabilities, neurobiology and interdisciplinary consciousness studies. He is also the academic director of the Institute of Psychotherapy Training and Management, Mumbai. He teaches psychiatry, psychology and psychotherapy at over 18 institutions as a visiting faculty

Footnotes

Conflict of interest: None declared

Declaration

This is my original, unpublished work, not under consideration for publication elsewhere.

CITATION: De Sousa A. Mind and Consciousness as per J. Krishnamurti. Mens Sana Monogr 2012; 10: 198-207.

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Mens Sana Monogr. 2012 Jan-Dec; 10(1): 198–207.
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Avinash De Sousa, MD, DPM, MS, MPhil, MBA
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zaterdag 30 mei 2020

Control implies division (J. Krishnamurti)

"Control implies division, the controller and the thing to be controlled; this division, as all division, brings about conflict and distortion in action and behaviour. This fragmentation is the work of thought, one fragment trying to control the other parts, call this one fragment the controller, or whatever name you will. This division is artificial and mischievous. Actually, the controller is the controlled.

Thought in its very nature is fragmentary and this causes confusion and sorrow. Thought has divided the world into nationalities, ideologies and into religious sects, the big ones and the little ones. Thought is the response of memories experience and knowledge, stored up in the brain; it can only function efficiently, sanely, when it has security, order. To survive physically it must protect itself from all dangers; the necessity of outward survival is easy to understand but the psychological survival is quite another matter, the survival of the image that thought has put together.

Thought has divided existence as the outer and the inner and from this separation conflict and control arise. For the survival of the inner, belief ideology, gods, nationalities, conclusions become essential and this also brings about untold wars, violence and sorrow. The desire for the survival of the inner, with its many images, is a disease, is disharmony. Thought is disharmony. All its images, ideologies, its truths are self-contradictory and destructive.

Thought has brought about, apart from its technological achievements, both outwardly and inwardly, chaos and pleasures that soon become agonies. To read all this in your daily life, to hear and see the movement of thought is the transformation that meditation brings about. This transformation is not the “me” becoming the greater “me” but the transformation of the content of consciousness; consciousness is its content. The consciousness of the world is your consciousness; you are the world and the

world is you. Meditation is the complete transformation of thought and its activities. Harmony is not the fruit of thought; it comes with the perception of the whole."

– J. Krishnamurti


zondag 19 januari 2020

Can We Change the Whole Direction of Our Lives? (J. Krishnamurti)

"I" wonder what we mean by a new year. Is it a fresh year, a year that is totally afresh, something that has never happened before? When we say something is new, though we know that there is nothing new under the sun, when we talk about a happy new year, is it really a new year for us? Or is it the same old pattern repeated over and over again? Same old rituals, same old traditions, same old habits, a continuity of what we have been doing, still are doing, and will be doing this year.

So, is there anything new? Is there anything that is really afresh, something that you have never seen before? This is rather an important question, if you will follow it – to turn all the days of our life into something which you have never seen before. That means a brain that has freed itself from its conditioning, from its characteristics, from its idiosyncrasies and the opinions, and the judgements, and the convictions. Can we put all that aside and really start a new year? It would be marvellous if we could do that. Because our lives are rather shallow, superficial, and have very little meaning. We are born, whether we like it or not we are born, educated – which may be a hindrance too. Can we change the whole direction of our lives? Is this possible? Or are we condemned forever to lead rather narrow, shoddy, meaningless lives? We fill our brains and our lives with something which thought has put together.

This is not a sermon. Probably in all the churches of the world, new year will be – and in all the temples and the rest of it – they will continue in the same old way, the same old rituals, pujas and so on and so on. Can we drop all that and start anew with a clean slate and see what comes out of that, with our hearts and minds?"

– J. Krishnamurti
Madras, January 1, 1985


   

dinsdag 29 oktober 2019

Hoe stoppen we de tijd? Het einde van het lijden. (Video van satsang van Alexander Smit en vraag van Jan Foudraine/Amrito)



Hoe stoppen we de tijd? Ik snap dat dit het grote probleem is en veroorzaker van het lijden, stelt Foudraine. Foudraine refereert hier aan Jiddu Krishnamurti en David Bohm, die hier lange discussies over hadden. Amrito (de Baghwan naam van Foudraine) vraagt aan Alexander Smit, hoe is de tijd te stoppen? Kijk naar deze mooie registratie van een satsang van Alexander Smit. 

Klik hier op deze link om de film te bekijken.


maandag 30 september 2019

Vrij van conditionering (J. Krishnamurti)


J. Krishnamurti in Ommen

Is het mogelijk om in onze relaties vrij te zijn van onze conditionering? Dat wil zeggen dat we in de spiegel van de relaties aandachtig, nauwkeurig en volhardend moeten observeren wat onze reacties zijn, of ze automatisch zijn, gebaseerd op gewoontes of tradities. En in die spiegel kun je ontdekken wat je werkelijk bent. Dus relaties zijn buitengewoon belangrijk.
Madras 1982, 
J. Krishnamurti

maandag 12 oktober 2015

Bidden (J. Krishnamurti)

Bidden heeft natuurlijk weinig zin. Wie bid heeft het niet begrepen. Het gaat erom om bij jezelf te kijken hoe het zit. Binnenin je. Wat gebeurt er, kan ik dat gewaar zijn, zien. Kan ik mijn gevoelens en emoties zien opkomen op het moment dat ze ontstaan. Kan ik de gedachten zien verschijnen? Kan ik ontdekken wie mijn gedachten waarneemt? Permanent choiceless awareness. Daar had Krishnamurti het over, hoe zit het binnen in mij. Bidden laten we aan de onbewusten over.

donderdag 11 juni 2015

Oordeel niet over jezelf. (J. Krishnamurti)

Wij oordelen constant over onszelf. We zitten vol met normen en waarden waar we nooit helemaal aan kunnen voldoen. Daar worden we niet gelukkig door. J. Krishnamurti, een Oosterse leraar uit de vorige eeuw, een van de bekendste, zei er het onderstaande over.

dinsdag 3 mei 2011

Mijn eerste goeroe die geen goeroe wilde zijn



Iedereen heeft van die bakens in zijn leven.
Die van mij was het in contact komen met J. Krishnamurti.
Via zijn boeken, hij was nog niet dood toen.
Maar ik heb hem nooit gezien. Later wel via de films.
Maar zijn boeken waren iets magisch voor mij.
Hij vertelde je dat je een licht was voor jezelf.
Dat er naar de waarheid geen pad was.
Dat je jezelf moest kennen. Dat je niemand moest volgen.
Je moest op onderzoek uit. En je moest kijken, kijken,
heel bewust, alles moest je bekijken op het moment,
dat het echt speelde, keuzeloos alles volgen,
in jezelf, om je heen en wel nu.

Voor meer info: http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/index.php